[HEA]
    _____________________   ___                                   _
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        |  | _             |   |                                 | |
        |  || |            |   |                                 | |
        |  || |            |   |                                 | |
        |  || |            |   |   ____ _   _ _   _   ______     | |
        |  || |            |   |  / __ \ | | / \_/ \  | ___ \    | |
        |  || |__   ____   |   | / /  \  | |  /\ /\ \ | |  \ \   | |
        |  ||  _ \ |  _ \  |   | \ \__/  | | | |_|| | | |__/ /   | |
        |  || | | || |_||  |   |  \___/|_| |_|    |_| | ____/    |_|
        |  || | | || |__   |   |____________________  | |         _
        |__||_| |_|\____/  |________________________| | |        |_|
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         Lighting Your Apple II Path                  | |
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                       >>> WELCOME TO THE LAMP! <<<
                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


             THE BEST OF THE A2 BULLETIN BOARD ON A2Central
           "Teaching the Apple II user how to fish since 1998"


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 The Lamp!            An Onipa'a Software Production       Vol. 10, No. 2
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 Publisher................................Ryan M. Suenaga, M.S.W., L.S.W.
 Editor.....................................................Lyle Syverson
 Internet Email, Publisher.........................thelamp@sheppyware.net
 Internet Email, Editor...............lutefisk at grex.cyberspace dot org
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                            TABLE OF CONTENTS
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                            February 15, 2007

HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER---------------------------------------------[OPN]
     Gardener's Delight

A2 BULLETIN BOARD at A2Central.com DISTILLATIONS----------------------[DAA]
     Retrieving The Lamp by FTP Using the IIgs------------------------[RTL]
     Old Computer Challenge 2007 Results------------------------------[OCC]
     gcc Support for 65816?-------------------------------------------[GCC]
     Orca/C Questions-------------------------------------------------[OCQ]
     Orca/C - Another Question----------------------------------------[OAQ]
     Orca/C Compile Command Problem-----------------------------------[CCP]
     Orca/c Tips------------------------------------------------------[OCT]
     Orca/C Exec File to Help me Compile Programs---------------------[HCP]
     Appleworks Word Processor to TXT Utility-------------------------[ATU]
     Apple II GEOS----------------------------------------------------[ATG]
     Ethernet Interface Code in Sweet16-------------------------------[EIC]
     Slot Expander 1--------------------------------------------------[SEO]
     Changes Suggested------------------------------------------------[CSD]

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR-------------------------------------------------[LTE]
     No Letters to the Editor This Month
     An Invitation

KFEST 2007------------------------------------------------------------[KF7]
     KansasFest 2007--------------------------------------------------[KFS]

EXTRA INNINGS
     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]


                                [*] [*] [*]

READING THE LAMP!   The index system used by The Lamp! is designed to make
"""""""""""""""""   your reading easier.  To use this system, load this
issue into any word processor or text editor.  In the index you will find
something like:

EXTRA INNINGS
     About The Lamp! ------------------------------------------------ [INN]

To read this article, simply use your search or find command to locate
[INN].  There is a similar tag at the end of each article: [EOA].



[OPN]-------------------------------
         HIGH ABOVE THE ROCK RIVER |
------------------------------------
From The Editor
"""""""""""""""
by Lyle Syverson  email: lutefisk at grex.cyberspace dot org

                            Gardener's Delight
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     To a gardener tired of winter... receiving a seed catalog in the mail
is quite refreshing... an invitation to start planning this year's garden.
You  will want to plant your favorites from past seasons... you will want
to try some of the new offerings.  What changes you will make in the layout
of your garden space.

     Growing plants from seed is similar to booting a computer... place the
seed where it is exposed to moisture, light, and the right temperature and
it germinates and grows to be a mature plant... fulfilling the plan
provided in the "ROM" (genes) of the seed.

     The plant breeder has "programed" the new varieties of seeds you are
growing this year.  (Introduced new characteristics... color, resistance to
disease, shorter growing season, etc.)

     The gardener enables the good health of the plant by providing
adequate moisture and eliminating competition from weeds, protection from
insects, and controlling diseases.

     The gardener is grateful to the plant breeder for developing the new
varieties of plants... the operator of the computer is grateful for the
programers who develop and improve the software necessary to the use of the
computer.

[EOA]



ASCII ART BEGINS
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   | |    | |                   | |                                    | |
   | |    | |___     ____       | |       _____   __ ___ _   _ _____   | |
   | |    | ___ \   / __ \      | |      /____ \  | v   v | | v ___ \  | |
   | |    | |  | | | /__\ \     | |       ____| | | /\ /\ | |  /   \ \ | |
   | |    | |  | | | _____|     | |      / ___  | | || || | | |    | | |_|
   | |    | |  | | | |_____     | |____  | |__| | | || || | |  \___/ /  _
   |_|    |_|  |_| \______|     |______| \____^_| |_||_||_| | |\____/  |_|
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ASCII ART ENDS
[EOA]



[DAA]-------------------------------------------------------
DISTILLATIONS FROM The A2 Bulletin Board at A2Central.com  |
------------------------------------------------------------

by Lyle Syverson  email: lutefisk at grex.cyberspace dot org

[RTL]
Retrieving The Lamp by FTP Using the IIgs
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Lyle wrote:

>> The January 2007 issue of _The Lamp!_ is now ready for your enjoyment
and enlightenment.

Access this issue, as well as all previous issues, at:
<ftp://www.a2central.com/the.lamp!> <<

For those who are using a IIGs, have Marinetti installed, and don't know
about SAFE2 yet, may I tell them that SAFE2 is an excellent way of
retrieving your copy of The Lamp by FTP.

You can get the latest SAFE2 from my web site at:
<homepage.mac.com/speccie>

Ewen

(Speccie, a2c.general_chat, Jan 16 2007)
[EOA]


[OCC]
Old Computer Challenge 2007 Results
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Feb 3, 2007
The Old Computer Challenge is now well and truly finished... the number of
completed entries was slightly above my expectation, so I'm hereby
declaring the challenge an unqualified success. Here's a brief rundown of
who did what:

Bill Garber of Garberstreet Electronics distinguished himself by being the
first entrant to complete his challenge. Bill's contribution to the
retrocomputing world comes in the form of a slotless ROM switcher for the
Apple ][ and ][+. The ROM switcher can now be ordered from Bill's site.
http://www.garberstreet.com

Dale Goodfellow (aka wgoodf) took a shot at creating a short "film" with
his Apple //c... Using images created in Dazzle Draw and music played on
the //c, Dale's production is definitely unique.
http://80.192.34.202/Sample Files & Templates/rc07warmup.mov

Mark Stock (aka mmphosis) endeavored to create a "one well written Apple II
program" and learned a bit about hacking along the way. Mark's hacker
emblem program rocks, but his new-found hacker pride is the real
accomplishment.
http://geocities.com/mmphosis/apple2/contest/2007/old-computer-challenge.ht
ml

Lorance Stinson stepped up to the plate with his Hermes BBS running on a
Mac IIci. Although not a very busy board, it provided a hangout for the
more iron-willed of the challengers (mostly Dale and myself).
telnet://lorance.no-ip.org

Simon Williams (aka Luddite) managed to cobble-together a bit of music on
the Apple ][+. It may well be the first time the Apple II has been used in
Dub.
http://www.archive.org/details/Framebreaker-Serial_Dub

As an additional project he also put together what is surely the
"definitive" guide to authoring web content for the Contiki browser (on an
Apple II, of course).
http://contiki.ld8.org/GUIDE/INDEX.HTML

BigD went back in time for a few weeks of hardcore 68K Mac action, and left
a well written and informative blog in his wake. BigD's conclusion that the
challenge wasn't so tough after all should serve as encouragement to those
who are too timid to undertake such a test.
http://www.dustinr.com/retrochallenge/

In closing, I'd just like to thank all the contestants for their
contributions and I hope to see everyone back in the saddle for this
Summer's RetroChallenge!  I mentioned at the start that there were no
prizes involved in the Old Computer Challenge, but I've decided that at the
very least everyone who completed their challenge will get an official Old
Computer Challenge T-shirt featuring Mark Stock's lo-res hacker emblem
design... now don't you wish you would have entered?
/help

._____.
|[LD8]! ====== 8-BIT SOUND & FURY ======
|  o. | APPLE ][ AUDIO & MUSIC RESOURCES
!__!__! http://8bitsoundandfury.ld8.org/

(Luddite, a2c.community, Feb 04 2007)
[EOA]


[GCC]
gcc Support for 65816?
""""""""""""""""""""""
A year or so ago there was some discussion about supporting the 65816
processor with gcc for Apple II development. Was there any progress made on
that front?

If not what are the choices?

I am aware of:
     ORCA/C
     MPW IIgs ORCA/C
     MPW IIgs C

Are there any known issues with the MPW IIgs tools?

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 22 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
gcc has had 65816 support for quite a while now--it doesn't look like that
the 65816 is being distributed in the latest binutils releases since there
is no owner.  The first step to have IIgs usability is to add OMF support
to ld in binutils (it is really neat that Kelvin has worked on an OMF
linker written in Java, but that won't integrate into binutils).

If someone steps up to the plate to take ownership, I'll hack the 65816
assembly routines to give it pseudo 32-bit support for better portability
of existing applications.  But without a portable linker, there is no point
to make any changes to the rest of binutils (I don't think any changes are
needed in gcc itself--binutils is where the cpu/os-specific code goes).

The ownership of the 65816/OMF in binutils means that every time a new
version of binutils is to be released, the 65816 and OMF code gets checked
to make sure that nothing broke.

Geoff

(geoff, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 23 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> gcc has had 65816 support for quite a while now--it doesn't look like
that the 65816 is being distributed in the latest binutils releases since
there is no owner. <<

The trick is finding someone who wants to take ownership of that.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 24 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
a2retro wrote:

>> I am aware of
ORCA/C
MPW IIgs ORCA/C
MPW IIgs C
<<

MPW IIgs C is junk.  It generates pseudocode that gets interpreted, and is
a bizarre amalgam of K&R and ANSI C.

The MPW IIgs assembler and Pascal are both excellent.  MPW IIgs ORCA/C is
good although it's not quite as current as ORCA/C is in terms of bug fixes.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 24 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
Hi Eric, does The MPW IIgs Collection come with source code for those
tools?

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 24 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> MPW IIgs ORCA/C is good although it's not quite as current as ORCA/C is
in terms of bug fixes. <<

Of course, the source code for both is available... provided you can find a
pascal compiler to compile it.

Kelvin.

(kws, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 25 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
So both versions of the C complier were written in Pascal?

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 26 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
ORCA/C was written in ORCA/Pascal.  MPW IIgs ORCA/C was written in MPW IIgs
Pascal, as a port from the IIgs version.

The source code for ORCA/C and MPW IIgs ORCA/C are available on the OPUS
][: The Works CD-ROM.  The other compilers are not available in source
form.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 29 2007)
[EOA]


[OCQ]
Orca/C Questions
""""""""""""""""
Hi I am trying to ramp up on Orca/C .. I am looking for someone who has
experience writing Orca/C apps, who would be willing answer dumb and not so
dumb questions over email, chat, whatever...

Send me an email -> support@a2retrosystems.com

Thanks

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 27 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
Glenn,

It's generally considered better value to post these type of questions in a
public forum so that other people who are reluctant to post questions (or
who start reading later) can still get answers. You can always move to
email later if things start getting too specific and technical.

There are a lot of people around who can help out with Orca/C. I'm one but
there are many others. (However I may not be as useful as in the past since
I don't have access to my GS as easily these days which makes
checking/trying things more difficult.)
--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible!  ;-)

(peterw, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 27 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
Okay - here goes

I have an application that has many files. There is the main app and a
bunch of sub programs. They all can be compiled, linked and loaded in one
shot or the main app can be compiled and the rest of the sub programs could
be compiled, linked then loaded in as needed and unloaded as they are
exited.

I understand there is a segment directive and I can specify dynamic (so the
segments are dynamic).

Some of these sub programs as spread over several c source files. So when
they are compiled they end up with there own object files.

I am not sure how to use the segment directive so that each sub program
ends up in a common dynamic segment.

Hopefully I have supplied enough info ...

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 27 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> I am not sure how to use the segment directive so that each sub program
ends up in a common dynamic segment. <<

I don't have tons of experience (none actually) in using dynamic segments,
but I would actually recommend using code resources instead of dynamic
segments; this gives you control over loading and unloading the code.

This way, you'd actually build each reloadable module using the #pragma RTL
pragma, then use the Resource Manager to load the code into memory and the
System Loader to relocate it.  It's actually quite easy to do.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 29 2007)
[EOA]


[OAQ]
Orca/C - Another Question
"""""""""""""""""""""""""
Is it possible to set (or redirect output to) a SHELL (EXEC) variable with
output from a command?

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 28 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
AFAIK the Orca shell doesn't support redirecting command output into a
variable.  That is, there's no equivalent to the Unix script statement:
VAR=`ls *.tmp`.

I can't swear that you couldn't fake something similar by creating and
executing EXEC file, but I doubt it.
--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible!  ;-)

(peterw, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 30 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> AFAIK the Orca shell doesn't support redirecting command output into a
variable. <<

That is what i figured ..

>> That is, there's no equivalent to the Unix script statement: VAR=`ls
*.tmp`. <<

That is exactly what I want to do.

>> I can't swear that you couldn't fake something similar by creating and
executing EXEC file, but I doubt it. <<

If anyone knows how to do this please let us know...

The other thing I was trying to do that didn't work was ...

SET VAR1 A B C D

SET VAR2 E F G H

based on {1} SET VAR3 to the contents of VAR1 or VAR2

// {1} is the first shell command parm

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 29 2007)
[EOA]


[CCP]
Orca/C Compile Command Problem
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
The compile command does not seem to take more than 255 characters of
input. If I feed it more it barfs to the monitor.

The Orca/C manual seems to infer that if your put your command in an exec
file that you can feed it up to 64K ref - page 113

I tried that but it still tanks.

I may try to set a variable in the exec file and supply the variable name
on the command ... might work ... unless the compile command only accepts
255 char.

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 28 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
LOL! What the heck are you trying to feed to it!

I don't know the actual line length limitation, but are you sure you need
to do it the long way?  It certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn that the
compiler itself couldn't handle a very long command line.

You have to remember that the Orca shell isn't Unix/Linux. There's lots of
hidden limitations, and some things that are definitely legal are still
flaky under some circumstances. Try to keep things very simple, very short,
etc. For example, try to cd to directories to avoid the need to specify
full pathnames for multiple files. Leave object files in the current
directory.  Etc, etc.
--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible!  ;-)

(peterw, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 30 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> LOL! What the heck are you trying to feed to it! <<

Porting a large 'c' application with header files that span many
directories  :)

I collapsed things from 3 directory trees into one and shortened directory
names as much as possible. I'd rather not mess with structure more then
that.

>> I don't know the actual line length limitation, but are you sure you
need to do it the long way? It certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn that
the compiler itself couldn't handle a very long command line. <<

That is what i figured - I am hoping someone with the source to the
complier can confirm ...  Eric?

>> You have to remember that the Orca shell isn't Unix/Linux. There's lots
of hidden limitations, and some things that are definitely legal are still
flaky under some circumstances. <<

I am finding that out ... the shell is very touchy if you don't have the
right syntax for some commands.

>> Try to keep things very simple, very short, etc. For example, try to cd
to directories to avoid the need to specify full pathnames for multiple
files. Leave object files in the current directory.  Etc, etc. <<

Thanks for the tips

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 29 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> I may try to set a variable in the exec file and supply the variable
name on the command ... might work ... unless the compile command only
accepts 255 char <<

None of that's going to work.  You really need to simplify the paths.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 29 2007)
[EOA]


[OCT]
Orca/c Tips
"""""""""""
Glenn,

I have a couple recommendations:

1) Use gno/me instead of the orca/shell.  It's much more unix (BSD) like
than orca, has command line filename completion, and is much more pleasant
than orca's applesoft/vms/dos/cpm80 inspired syntax

2) Use occ.  It's a front-end for orca/c (runs under orca and gnome) that
uses more standard commandline switches, and might be more graceful with
long lines.

3) Gnome includes dmake, which is much nicer than trying to build your own
makefile.

For your custom makefile, ProDOS's limited last modified time resolution
(1 minute is it?) might be causing you headaches.

Kelvin.

(kws, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 31 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
I've never been able to get GNO/ME to run stably in an emulator.  It always
crashes within just a few minutes, even on a fresh install with no extras
added to it.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 31 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
Speaking of running in an emulator - I find that when running the orca dev
tools in kegs I get the emulated system state suspect save work .. thats
when thingss start acting flaky ...I have been meaning to try the
environment on my accelerated IIgs to see it is more stable.

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 31 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
I seriously doubt that there is a problem with KEGS.  Those invalid memory
access notices should give you an idea of how buggy Orca really is.  KEGS
will always be better than a real IIgs to identify bad memory access (it
helps a lot when you are debugging your own code--sucks a lot using someone
elses).  A real IIgs will gracefully use random values--making the problem
much harder to track down.  Too bad there is no option other than Orca.

This is part of the reason why I had started to advocate that GNU tools
would be a good option for IIgs development.  Orca can be dumped in favor
of an environment which has a much higher active development community.  If
somebody wants to debug Orca/C, I have some source code on a 10-30 meg disk
image that I would love to see get compiled.  I looked at the Orca/C source
and decided it wasn't worth my time to figure out (living in the world of
instant gratification does that to you).

Geoff

(geoff, a2c.a2pro_developers, Feb 01 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> I've never been able to get GNO/ME to run stably in an emulator.  It
always crashes within just a few minutes, even on a fresh install with no
extras added to it. <<

I've used gno/me with sweet 16 and kegs.  GNO does give the COP instruction
a workout, but if that was the issue, it would die fairly instantly.

Under kegs, the first time I login, gsh almost always hangs after the
message of the day is shown.  I have to kill it using the GNO snooper CDA,
then login again (and everything is fine).  Annoying, but not annoying
enough to try tracking it down :/

Kelvin.

(kws, a2c.a2pro_developers, Feb 02 2007)
[EOA]


[HCP]
Orca/C Exec File to Help me Compile Programs
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
I wrote this exec file to help me compile programs:

UNSET EXIT
SET opts cc=(-i"/CDEV:co:apps"-i"/CDEV:co:conf" -i"/CDEV:co:ctk"
-i"/CDEV:co:ek" -i"/CDEV:co:lib"-i"/CDEV:co:uip")

set list {1} {2} {3} {4} {5} {6} {7} {8} {9}

for i in {list}
   echo Processing {i}
   exists {i}.c
   if {status} == 1
     newer {i}.a {i}.c {i}.h
     if {status} != 0
        echo Compiling {i}.c
        compile +T {i}.c {opts} KEEP=$ > {i}.log
      else
        echo {i} "Up to Date"
        echo {i} > uptodate
      end
   else
       echo {i} "Was not found"
       echo {i} > notfound
   end
end

so if the .c file exists and the .c or .h files are newer then the .a
file then compile the .c file
else print up to date or file not found

I get mixed results every time I run it

- some times it says the .c file is not found when it really is there

- sometimes it says it's up to date - which is what it should say every
time i run it after the first time if nothing else is modified

- most times it just compiles it anyway even if the .c or .h are not newer

anyone have any ideas on what is going on?

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.a2pro_developers, Jan 29 2007)
[EOA]


[ATU]
Appleworks Word Processor to TXT Utility
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Does anyone know of a utility, macro, or script - for ProDOS, GS/OS,
Classic, or OS X - that will batch convert AWP files to TXT?

(kgagne, a2c.appleworks, Jan 28 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
If you mean AppleWorks Text files, to standard Text files, it can be done
with a Spectrum script, as Spectrum will read AppleWorks Text files into
memory...

I don't have one written offhand, but it would just be a matter of opening,
reading, and saving as Text, from within a loop...

Ewen

(Speccie, a2c.appleworks, Jan 29 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
There's lots of utilities that will do it, with lots of variations. What
are you trying to achieve?  (Apart from the obvious!)

And do you actually want TXT files? Or do you want to preserve the
formatting?
--
Peter Watson
-- Write to MSDOS disks on the Apple IIgs?
-- Impossible!  ;-)

(peterw, a2c.appleworks, Jan 30 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
Peter: I don't care much for preserving formatting, as I don't think there
is much of it in the source files.  The main thing is that the content be
readable from Microsoft Word.  Almost any utility will do.

Ewen: Using a Spectrum script occurred to me, but it's been so long since I
did any scripting, I would almost have to learn the language from scratch.
If I don't have to reinvent the wheel, I'd rather not.

(OTOH, if I was half the scripter I was a decade ago, I'd have written the
script more quickly than I did  this message!)

-Ken

(kgagne, a2c.appleworks, Jan 29 2007)
[EOA]


[ATG]
Apple II GEOS
"""""""""""""
Aside from geoCalc, geoFile, and geoPublish (plus geoWrite included with
GEOS itself), is anyone aware of any other "geo" apps that made it to the
Apple II?

Wikipedia lists several, but they may all have been on the Commodore...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)

I'm looking for more definitive info of what was available for the Apple II
and would like to get copies if they exist of these other apps.

I think I have the last versions of calc, file, publish and geos itself...

Thanks in advance.

(sfahey, a2c.operating_systems, Feb 07 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
I'm not aware of any offhand, although I have a niggling feeling in the
back of my mind that there was one, maybe there were two.  But I have no
clue what they might have been, or if they even existed.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.operating_systems, Feb 07 2007)
[EOA]


[EIC]
Ethernet Interface Code in Sweet16
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
My intention is to write a link layer for Sweet16 at some point in the
future, although I don't yet have an estimate as to when that will happen.
It won't happen for version 2.0, which I'm hoping to release in the late
winter or early spring.

The publicly-shipping version of Sweet16 for BeOS actually hooks into the
ethernet layer and receives packets -- it just never had a link layer
written, and has no ability to send packets.

That code's been removed because it was very BeOS specific.  However,
getting the basic ethernet interface code into Sweet16 won't be
ridiculously hard.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 24 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> However, getting the basic ethernet interface code into Sweet16 won't be
ridiculously hard. <<

I look forward to that very much, as it would mean I could pension off my
real IIgs once again, and speed up software development dramatically!

Ewen

(Speccie, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 25 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> My intention is to write a link layer for Sweet16 at some point in the
future, although I don't yet have an estimate as to when that will happen.
<<

One of the reasons to do a hardware layer emulation vs a Link Layer for
Marinetti specifically is that it would then be compatible with other
additional software like Contiki or anything written with IP65.

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 25 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
That's true, but it's more work than I feel like going through, I expect.

Well... tell me this, what would be involved in emulating the Uther card,
for example?  I don't know the I/O interface for it.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 29 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
Hi Eric,

I would recommend you start by reading the application note for the 8bit
mode of the cs8900a. http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/appNote/an181.pdf

It gives you an idea of how the chip is used from an application point of
view and 8 bit data path.

That coupled with the Uther Link Layer source you can see what the minimum
part of the interface is that is required.

Init, receive packet and send packet.

There is source available in the Applewin project but again it is gpl and I
am not sure what license your sweet16 code is under ....

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 29 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
>> There is source available in the Applewin project but again it is gpl
and I am not sure what license your sweet16 code is under .... <<

Sweet16 is freeware, no source distribution, so that wouldn't work.

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 30 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
I still think it's the best approach even if you can't leverage off of the
code in VICE/Applewin.

You might be able to get the authors permission to use the code anyway if
you ask... explaining it is for an application that is Freeware - no source
distribution due to other considerations.

I am sure *any* form of Ethernet support in Sweet16 would be great...

Glenn

(a2retro, a2c.network_telecomm, Jan 30 2007)
[EOA]


[SEO]
Slot Expander 1
"""""""""""""""
I just received the Slot Expander 1 boards I ordered from Vince Briel. Good
solid construction, and he thoughtfully included the IDE cable (nice touch)
all packaged up in a ziplock baggie. Now that's retro!

(sfahey, a2c.apple_1, Jan 22 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
What is a Slot Expander 1 and how do they work?

-- Mark

(Mark Percival, a2c.apple_1, Jan 22 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
It's a 3 slot expansion board for the Apple 1, Replica 1 and clones.  I
posted an article on it awhile back -
http://www.a2central.com/portal/?p=1285

Cool cards are coming for the Apple 1 crowd:

http://www.a2central.com/portal/?p=1301

and the CFFA1

(sfahey, a2c.apple_1, Jan 22 2007)
[EOA]


[CSD]
Changes Suggested
"""""""""""""""""
Would it be possible to add another item to this list?  I would prefer to
know the last day that I visited A2Central.com, and not instead see
confirmation that yes I am actually here on this date.

If that is a bit unclear, I refer to the top right corner that currently
says that I last visited on Thursday, December 21, 2006.

Also, is there going to be any way to see the unread messages?

David R. Pierce

(David R. Pierce, a2c.system_announcements, Dec 21 2006)

>>>>>
"""""
David R. Pierce wrote:

>> Would it be possible to add another item to this list?  I would prefer
to know the last day that I visited A2Central.com, and not instead see
confirmation that yes I am actually here on this date. <<

That bit of info will be 'vamped soon after the software upgrade - which
I'm hoping will be released around the New Year.

>> Also, is there going to be anyway to see the unread messages? <<

How do you read the board? HTTP, telnet or NNTP? That will help me best
with an answer.

(sfahey, a2c.system_announcements, Dec 29 2006)

>>>>>
"""""
I was reading through HTTP, but now I have MacSOUP up and running so now I
only see the unread messages. :)

David R. Pierce

(David R. Pierce, a2c.system_announcements, Dec 29 2006)

>>>>>
"""""
That is the best advice I can give anyone. The NNTP is sooo much nicer. I
prefer to view the telnet side as being the backwards compatibility mode
for people who want to connect using a real II, but newer technology
options exist that are certainly more efficient and convenient.

(sfahey, a2c.system_announcements, Jan 01 2007)

>>>>>
"""""
As a general rule, I hate NNTP clients.  Even the "nice" ones get on my
nerves.  I much prefer a nice web interface.  I've finally caved and am set
up to use NNTP for this, because the web interface here is sadly not all
that great. :)

Sheppy

(Sheppy, a2c.system_announcements, Jan 03 2007)
[EOA]



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Express your opinions about the comings and goings in the world of the
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[KF7]------------------------------
                       KFest 2007 |
-----------------------------------

[KFS]
KansasFest 2007
"""""""""""""""
is scheduled for July 17-22, 2007.

Go to <http://www.kfest.org> for details.
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